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    Avatar Liz Green updated 1 month, 2 weeks ago 5 Members · 11 Posts
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    Liz Green

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    September 3, 2020 at 1:46 am

    Do we have any doctors, nurses, or other medical peeps in the group? I have a plot hole that needs medical insight!

    My protagonist is the White House Doctor. The president is on Segway tour of Banff when he gets scared by a sheep, falls off the Segway, and hits his head. He has a concussion and is in bed in the hotel, where the medical unit has set up their mobile clinic (as they don’t want the press to see him being taken to hospital).

    The doctor decides to kill the president. (She has reasons!) But it needs to look—at least initially—like his death is a complication of his fall. I thought she’d inject him with something that sends him into cardiac arrest. Would that work? Would it be untraceable? What would she use? How could she do it so it looks like she’s trying to treat him but she’s actually killing him?

    Also interested in conspiracies and brainstorming from non-medical people who have ideas! Bring ‘em on! Thanks!

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    Adam Jarvis

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    September 4, 2020 at 2:50 am

    I am not a doctor or other medical professional, but I am currently suffering from mild allergies. So, how about that? Some allergy buried in said president’s past medical records (perhaps hidden or perhaps just lost) that would allow her to use a common compound that wouldn’t arise suspicion but would still cause asphyxiation or cardiac arrest due to the allergic reaction?

    Could also give your killer a weakness and give whoever is investigating the murder a lead at some point.

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      Liz Green

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      September 4, 2020 at 3:36 am

      Oh, that’s a great idea! I JUST got diagnosed with a severe grass allergy and will be starting immunotherapy treatment. It involves injecting small amounts of the allergen to build up an immunity (like a vaccination). But when they give the shot, they have to have an epi-pen on hand because there’s a small risk of anaphylactic shock. This is great!

      It would also make sense that she was recently reviewing his old medical records, as she has just been asked to be his doctor at this point in the story.

      You rock! Thanks so much!

      (And still open to other ideas if anyone has anything.)

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        Adam Jarvis

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        September 4, 2020 at 3:42 am

        Grinning Good luck with the procedure!

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          Liz Green

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          September 4, 2020 at 4:23 am

          Thanks. I hope your allergies don’t give you too much grief.

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    Mike Revell

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    September 4, 2020 at 10:28 am

    I asked my doctor friend, and he said:

    If they’re unconscious, one option would be to give an overdose of morphine, perhaps appearing as though it’s a small amount for pain relief, or giving an alternative opioid with higher concentration, ie remifentanyl, fentanyl, or oxycodone

    Also…

    If someone had significant head injury perhaps with aneurysmal bleed with resultant cerebral salt wasting syndrome, which causes hyponatraemia (low blood sodium) intentionally corrected too quick with IV saline 0.9% which results in central pontine myelinolysis, coma and death🤔


    Alternatively outside of the concussion context you could swap out normal IV fluids for straight potassium chloride to induce instantaneous cardiac arrest ie. surreptitiously administer high dose short acting insulin or actrapid/novarapid to cause fatal Hypoglycaemia, coma and death

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      Robyn Sarty

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      September 6, 2020 at 1:09 pm

      I don’t know what half of this means, but the second option seems like a really good option. It ties in with the concussion and if it’s found on an autopsy, it’d more likely look like an error rather than a deliberate act. And after he slips into a coma, she can work like crazy to pull him out, giving the appearance of helping and worry.

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        Mike Revell

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        September 6, 2020 at 6:57 pm

        I know, it’s crazy isn’t it!

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      Liz Green

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      September 8, 2020 at 5:23 pm

      Wow, this is gold! Thanks so much. And please thank your friend. I like the second option, too, because the protagonist will know in advance there will be an autopsy, but something given too fast probably won’t show up as an issue in an autopsy. Amazing!

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    Denise Ganley

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    September 6, 2020 at 5:19 pm

    How about some help from the Poison Lady. If you have a secret smoker president, then you can maybe kill him from liquid nicotine. It would not be a surprise to be in his system. https://wickedauthors.com/2014/07/11/lessons-from-the-poison-lady/

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      Liz Green

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      September 8, 2020 at 5:24 pm

      Ooh, fascinating! I’d never heard of this but it would good option as she’d need something that made sense that it was already at hand, and if the president smoked e-cigarettes, there would be nicotine cartridges in the room. Thanks!

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